In today’s episode, Pastor Steve Kelly is joined by Josh Kicker, Executive Pastor of Wave Church for over 20 years, and Mike Murphry of Leaderscape, who has spent more than three decades serving the local church.

Together, they discuss the faith required to launch campuses during financial uncertainty, the unique dynamics of working closely with friends, and the long-term fruit—and challenges—of longevity in ministry.

Want more in-depth conversations specifically catered for pastors and leaders? Join us October 1-2 for Wave Conference 2025 - Iron & Embers in Virginia Beach, VA!